FLUINT CASE STUDY

How Greg Went from Ghosted to a $150K Deal, With Help From an Unlikely Champion

"Fluint helps me clarify my ideas and get them down on paper. It's a tool to get to the root of what you want to say. And I love that."

Greg Crisci, Sr Enterprise AE

BACKGROUND

Three years ago Greg was offered VP of Sales

Upon starting the position he realized it's not what he wanted to do, thinking to himself “you know, I love being in front of customers, traveling, and owning the room".

So he told the company “at this point we need more sales, we don't need more managers. I'd love to just go back down to a senior enterprise account exec”.

He had the support of the company, they brought in a new VP of sales and it’s worked out really well. 

COMPANY

On a mission to 'solve care for good'

Upwards helps families find childcare through working with employers. They tend to deal with US-based enterprises with more than 10,000 employees.

THE DEAL

From getting ghosted to finally closing the deal more than 400 days later

Greg enabled an unlikely champion to close a previously stalled deal. Read the full story below.

What would you say to someone who is considering selling with Fluint?

Everything in life is a learning loop: reading > trying >  learning > optimizing.

It’s the same for something like building business cases, and using Fluint. You can read all about it here, but just try it out.

You’ve got to be open to learning something new, and once you test it to see if it’ll work, you can make up your mind. 

If you want to spend more time being creative, give it a shot.

Greg’s a Senior Enterprise AE at a company called Upwards. Which is on a mission to ‘‘solve care for good,” by creating childcare solutions with enterprise companies for their workforce. 

They’ve got a lot going for them:

  • Childcare is shifting from a nice-to-have to a standard benefit to drive talent retention. 
  • Only 7% of companies have a care benefit, but up to 48% are looking for one.

That’s a huge gap. It’s Greg’s job to help close it by educating buying teams on the root causes behind the problem they’re trying to solve, while driving alignment on a solution. 

Here’s an example:

Last year, a major enterprise’s Benefits team (part of HR) responded to an outbound campaign, looking to learn more about childcare as an employee benefit. 

They talked through what other benefits teams are doing, he educated them on changes in the talent market, and they started to setup for the next benefits election cycle. 

But then? The prospect went dark. Ghosted, after 400 days of planning.

How to take a different approach when you can’t win on a spreadsheet.

Before we get into how Greg went from ghosted to six figures, let’s talk about his approach to selling. 

Most HR teams evaluate healthcare benefits in a spreadsheet. They list out all options, then make all the incumbents answer every question “RFP style.”

But Greg knows they’ll never win in a traditional RFP-style healthcare deal, because their model is too different. They’ll miss the mark on paper, if you’re using the typical benefits buying criteria. 

Which means Greg needed to develop an entirely different approach.

Selling with champions, by selling with business cases.

Greg believes “anytime there's a price involved, you have to have value.”

The approach he uses to build “value” in his deals is a business case: a page or two page write-up with context on the problem, solution, outcome metrics and the investment. 

Plus, Greg builds out a matrix that ties together:

  • A quarter-by-quarter rollout plan.
  • Expected outcome metrics.
  • Required investment.
  • Cost of no action.

In one simple table. 

Creating an unlikely champion.

Back to that deal: 

A complex sales cycle that had started 400 days earlier had gone cold. The deal had stalled out with the HR team, but then?

Somebody on the Employee Resource Group (ERG) reached out to Greg. Which is a separate team in the Enterprise focused on Diversity, Equity, Inclusion (DEI) — who aren’t specialists in or typically responsible for benefits.

While the Benefits team doesn’t always hear directly from frontline staff, the ERG often does collect data with feedback from the frontlines.

And can you guess who raised their hand to advocate for Upwards with Greg?

A software engineer.

Which is kind of like a product designer deciding to champion the purchase of account software. Usually, it just doesn’t happen like that. 

Enabling Greg’s new champion to sell internally.

We all know it’s great to work with a champion who’s gotten deals done before. But in this case, Greg’s champion had genuine passion, but no true buying experience: 

“This guy spoke from the heart, and he just knew this was needed, and that came across. So I had to train him on what to say, and how to bring this to his President in a way that would resonate with an executive.” 

That’s when the deal started to pick up again by co-creating a business case together: 

“He’d go do a little bit of research for me, he’d come back with some new inputs, then we would collaborate on the storyline and develop the message together.” 

Turns out, Greg’s new champion was able to land time on their President’s calendar to pitch the value of a new program like childcare.

The place where Greg’s champion would share the 2-page executive summary they wrote out, scripting his message for the President. 

So on one hand, the HR benefit team said “I don't think it's a problem. Not only that, I don't know if this is the right solution.” On the other hand, I knew my champion was meeting with their President to share the message we built.

Did you catch that? 

Greg’s typical “buyer,” with all the experience and authority and responsibility for HR Benefits, started blocking the deal. Meanwhile, the least-expected type of role in the enterprise — a software engineer — had the ear of their President.

So Greg’s business case was designed to have the President looking at his HR team, thinking, “Well, all our frontline people are telling me this is a big problem, regardless of what you in HR are saying, and I’m going to do something about it.”

Which is exactly how the deal ended up getting done. 

And in a truly dramatic fashion, HR showed up to that meeting that Greg’s champion had scheduled with their President!

By the time they left the meeting, their President had given HR a new mandate: 

“He told them, ‘We’re doing this.’ So the following week, the HR Benefits team reached out, ready to start talking about a contract. Which only happened because that one meeting, with a strong message and an unlikely champion, turned our deal into a mandate.”

So, in short, Greg…

  • Developed an unlikely champion.
  • Co-created a strong business case. 
  • Enabled his champion to sell his President. 
  • Influenced the decision maker — even with a group of detractors in the room.

…which resulted in a $150K deal for Upwards, and access to childcare for frontline workers.

The full conversation

We sat down with Greg to unpack exactly how he sells with Fluint.

What do you sell, and who do you sell to? 

I help families find childcare, and I do that through working with employers. I tend to deal with US-based enterprises with more than 10,000 employees. 

What makes your approach to selling unique?

Novelty and creativity. I think being creative has been one of my strengths, and that shows up in a couple different ways. 

One is the way that I'll show up to a meeting. For example, one of my clients is John Deere, so I showed up to a meeting with a video background of a big John Deere tractor. I superimposed myself sitting on the seat, so it looked like I was driving it, and they just loved it. They absolutely loved it.

And I think being a little different like that goes a long way, so I'll give you another example: 

Sales people like to say, “Don't go on a monologue.” Talk to listen ratio! My monologues are the longest out of our entire team, but I’m also the top seller. So it all comes down to being authentic, however that shows up for you.

What was happening when you decided to explore the idea of building business cases?

I was an entrepreneur before I went into sales, so I’ve always been “selling” something, and framing my conversations around a business case, of sorts. 

But I didn't know that’s what I was doing until I read Selling With by Nate Nasralla. Which is where I learned about Fluint, and I thought: 

“I can put all this into a pretty simple and repeatable framework, using a format people can actually read and understand.”

So now, I love putting my ideas down on paper because it helps clarify my thinking. It’s become a tool to get to the root of what I’m trying to communicate. And I love that.”

How would you describe the workflow that Fluint helps enable for you?

My workflow inside Fluint lets me take a more creative approach, and it takes away all the mundane work of going through notes, listening to every single call, reading through call recaps, etc.

That way, I can focus more on things that I like doing — the creative part, not the admin. 

For example, it’s the one way I’ve found to merge five different calls together into a first draft, so then, I can spend time on refining messaging.

How were you doing these things before us? 

Before Fluint, it was… man, not fun. 

I’d have five different sets of notes, some of them saying different stuff, so then I’d go back to find the right call and scan it for the right facts. Like, “What was the number again? Was it 5,000? Or did they really say 10,000?”

And the problem is I only have so much energy in a day. And if a lot it would just go into creating a simple call recap manually, instead of really getting to an actual business case.

Now, I have a first-draft business case immediately after my calls as a starting point. Which gives me a lot of time back for things I want to do. It’s a game changer knowing “someone” else is listening and writing to help me put content together. 

What challenges were you trying to solve by signing up for Fluint?

At first, I was interested because entrepreneurs love entrepreneurs, and I wanted to be here at the beginning to say I was one of the first to help.

So when I came across Nate, and liked all of his content, it really changed my perspective. This was before Fluint was even a product! And I was like, I'm going to support this guy no matter what. Then, when Fluint launched, I thought it was genius, and I was one of the early early testers in the Slack community. 

In terms of what we were using before, it was Clari Wingman, but I really enjoyed the way Nate was thinking, and the product matches what I think is the right way to sell enterprise.

If Fluint went away, what would you miss most?

Fluint can't go away. 

I’d miss it, because now I’ve gotten to a place where I can be a lot more creative. If you start taking that creativity away, I'll burn out, and sales will get boring again, so it’s too important to me.

The difference is that now, I can spend 90% of my day on creative work, vs. only being able to give 30% of my energy to creative work. So no, it can't go away!

What would you say to someone who is considering selling with Fluint?

Everything in life is a learning loop: reading > trying >  learning > optimizing.

It’s the same for something like building business cases, and using Fluint. You can read all about it here, but just try it out.  You’ve got to be open to learning something new, and once you test it to see if it’ll work, you can make up your mind. 

Especially if you want to spend more time being creative, give it a shot.

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